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hello and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing the day with us. today, brand-new cnn poll numbers six days from the
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midterm vote count. how you feel about the president, the economy, how excited you are to vote spells giant trouble for the democrats and giant opportunity for republicans. plus, some new cnn reporting on the behind the scenes battle between senators mitch mcconnell and rick scott over who should get more credit or more blame for how the senate shakes out after the midterms and an interrogation. other targets, new horrific details about the assailant who bludgeoned the speaker of the house's husband until he was unconscious. >> mr. pelosi asked to go to the bathroom which is where he was able to call 911 from his cell phone. the defendant realizing that mr. pelosi had called 911 took mr. pelosi downstairs near the front door of the residence. two police officers arrived at the front door two minutes after that 911 call. >> up first for us, though, a
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final snapshot of the midterm climate and it is beyond bleak for the democrats. let's set the stage, remember, republicans need only a net gain of five to take back the house of representative, let's start there with the battle for the house. the president's approval rating always the north star in a midterm election season. look at this as we get closer. the president's approval rating down in our new poll to 41%. disapproval up, nearly six in ten americans as we get close to election day disapprove of the president's job's handling right now. so take that, the national map, look at this when we bring up the competitive seats for the house. the president's approval rating is down, every point it goes down republican hopes go up. now, add in this, what is your choice when you vote for congress, some have already voted early. some will vote in the next several days. everybody finishes by tuesday. look at this, a month ago we had democrats with a small lead on your choice, democrat or republican in your congressional
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district. now look, republicans have an advantage heading into the final days outside of the margin of error, 51%, a majority plan to vote republican for congress. that helps republicans in every one of these competitive districts. those are national numbers. these are more competitive districts. if the president's approval rate something down the republican vote is up. you look at these 78 competitive districts, that is great news for republicans. now, let's switch maps and take a look and view some of the other numbers in the context of the senate battle for control, the impact on the house as well. 50/50 going into election day. now we switch the map this way. this is how we rate the races. yellows are toss-ups. light blue lean democrat. the economy is dominating in the final days and that hurts the democratic chances, remember back after the dobbs decision in june, democrats thought abortion would help them in the suburbs here, help them in the suburbs here, maybe in red states like ohio and wisconsin and the suburbs, certainly out in arizona and nevada and in colorado and more. that's what the democrats
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thought and you saw evidence of that in august and in september. but now look at where we are as we get closer to election day, number one, the economy is dominating the discussion. look at these numbers. this is a change election. 72% of americans think the country is going badly. only 28% think things are going well. and so what are people voting on? this tells you everything you need to know as we head into the final days. excuse me for turning my back. democrats had hoped the abortion issue would at least compete with the economy and inflation. it's not a competition as we head closer to election day, 51% say the economy and inflation is the top issue. only 50% say abortion, 9% say elections. the economy is dominating in voters' minds. republicans are stressing that as they try to win across the board in their final ads. >> two years ago our border was secure, our economy worked. now our border is wide open. we've got high prices and violent crime. why? because mark kelly just votes
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for joe biden's agenda every time. >> it's been my greatest honor to represent you, serving as a check and balance against biden and pelosi's inflationary spending. >> with inflation and higher prices on everything from groceries to gas and to pay for it all ryan and biden agreed on billions in higher taxes, on low and middle income families. >> with me in studio to share the reporting and insights cnn malika henderson, karl holst and david chalian. if you look, i said, 72% of americans think it's going badly. 51% of people in the country right now believe the economy is issue number one. you've dug deeper into these economic numbers, the economy, inflation are dominating. the fed will raise interest rates again today to remind people inflation is a big problem. you dug deeper and it's even worse. >> of that 51% of the economy voters which as you noted it's a majority of likely voters in our
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poll, just to underscore what the republican advantage can on this issue, 71% of those voters are planning to vote for the republican. 26% are planning to vote for the democrat in their congressional district. that is a 45-point advantage on issue number one. so you've got the overall mood like you're saying, you have an issue environment that advantages republicans and you have the unpopularity of president biden. it's hard to find envir environmentally overall where the democrats see in these closing days their good news. >> so you keep -- you look through the poll and find is there anything in here, anything where democrats can say hang a hat on that. it's hard to find if you look. one of the big questions in an election year, are you enthusiastic about voting. midterms tend to be about the party in power. back in october 2010, if you -- look there, you see the republican advantage. that was when barack obama lost
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63 seats and lost the house. then move forward to november 2018, democrats had only a slight advantage when it came to enthusiasm and yet they took it back under donald trump. look at now, that edge in republican enthusiasm, nia-malika henderson. >> that was a sha lacking in the words of obama and i think you hear from democrats, the nervousness about what this election is going to look like. there was some optimism weeks ago, you know, in the sort of last weeks of the summer but that pretty much dissipated. partly because gas prices had been up. they were sliding down. they're going up now. partly it's just history, the party in power tends to lose seats, some of it is structural, you've got an issue with black voters, are they going to actually turn out in the way they turn out in presidential elections? and sort of the democratic base is such a diverse base, right? it's young people, african
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americans, latino, college educated white voters. can they have an issue set that brings them all together, makes them enthusiastic, mobilizes them and gets to the polls? it's a very tall order. >> it's a tall order. look, we have new numbers. campaigns have numbers just about every day. they have numbers as good if not better than our numbers which is one reason to the enthusiasm question democrats see it coming which is why the former president barack obama is out there trying to convince democrats you might be discouraged, maybe you're mad at the president. vote. >> but i'm here to tell you, nevada, that tuning out is not an option. moping and feeling cynical is not an option. the only way to make this economy fair is if we, all of us, fight for it. the only way to save democracy is we together fight for it. >> it's a tough argument, though, melanie, in the sense
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that obama is in nevada giving that speech. gas prices are a dollar higher than the national average because of the unique conditions out on the western states. their unemployment rate hit 28% during the pandemic. donald trump was president then. the bruise lasts a long time. there is a funk out there still. >> democrats only in the closing days tried to address the economy as a major issue. they really tried to throw everything at the wall to see what sticks. it was abortion, it was economy, trying to refute republican attacks on crime and student loans. but you contrast that with republicans who were consistent. we sat down with republicans who said it will be about the economy, crime and the border and have not strayed from that message all the way through. >> so, karl, again some is bad t timing. joe biden coming in after the pandemic. he's in charge and his party is in charge. are we in a recession is a question we asked. we are not if you ask economists. if you look at the data from a
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statistical sfnpoint but 61% of democrats think we are, 74% of independents think we are. 91% of republicans think we're in a recession. if you're tim ryan, democrat of the house trying to win an increasingly red state of ohio this year you're mad at your party. >> when it comes to inflation, we need a tax cut. we need to put money in people's pockets if we're going to weather the storm here so a tax cut in the short term. >> how many think inflation and the economy is the number one issue in this race? and you're one of them. >> i'm one of them. i've been screaming at democrats too for a year and a half to pass a tax cut. >> he has been pushing. i think democrats may regret some of their decisions in their strategy of passing things in the rearview mirror but in the front view this is a very, very bleak climate for democrats. >> it feels like a recession to people because of inflation and we're not used to inflation so people are really struggling with it. i think it's telling that it's
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president obama who is out as the closer, right, because it's not who is doing of democrats think a great job but it's not president biden. i look at the wrong track number that you focused on. how does the party in power weather that? it becomes almost impossible. the fate of the house and the senate and that has to be -- we've seen that split before including in 2010. so, you know, it's possible that they can hold on to the senate but it's just a horrible environment for democrats right now. there's just no way to say it. >> it is when you look at the numbers. it is if you just think joe biden was elected to, a, end the pandemic leadership then end the daily chaos of donald trump but people don't feel like they've gotten a break because the pandemic lingered. it's still out there in some ways. >> and gas prices. >> gas prices. >> such a simple indicator and people look at that and the sign is up in front of them. >> gas and groceries. >> you didn't get the break you
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want. i want to show so you look at the key pieces of the democratic coalition in 2018, the big anti-trump wave that made nancy pelosi speaker. there's weakness. look at voters over the age of 65, 48% for the democrats back in 2018. that's the exit poll. in our new poll, 44%. voters with a college degree, 59% for the democrats in 2018 down to 52. independent, 54 for democrats, now down to 45%. take the pieces of the coalition. you might say, 48-44 is not a big margin. that's a huge margin when talking about competitive house districts and close senate races. >> a game of inches, right? and i'll just say a bigger trend about if you look in your poll, white college educated voters, okay, a key voting bloc in terms of the transition in american politics, right, and we saw hillary clinton made inroads in 2016 but donald trump edged ahead with that group. then in 2018 democrats won them
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by seven points, white college educated voters, a lot in suburban america. we saw joe biden in 2020 edge ahead of trump with them by three points. in our poll today, democrats are losing white college educated voters by five percentage points. that to me shows that swing that we saw that you're describing, the sort of anti-trump swing, a key portion of it, some of it is swinging back to the republicans. that poses a danger to democrats. >> if enough of it swings back in the suburbs around atlanta, around philadelphia, around phoenix those are senate seats, bang, bang, bang. up next we'll dig deeper into president biden's speech tonight and threats to democracy. highlighting an issue democrats simply had hoped would get more traction. the first time your sales reached 100k was also the first time you hit this note...
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election deniers on the ballot and will address republican attacks on the integrity of voting and the integrity of vote counting. it's a late campaign attempt to elevate an issue the president and others have raised when out on the trail. >> they're coming after your right to vote. democracy is on the ballot this year. >> the only way to save democracy is if we together fight for it. >> not a single one of us in this room and not a single one of us across this country can be a bystander. we all must stand and defend this republic. >> mj lee is live at the white house for us. tell us more. >> reporter: john, obviously as you know protecting democracy is a very familiar theme for this president and this white house and what we expect to hear from the president tonight is, one, him directly addressing election deniers and, second, talking about these recent threats to -- threats of violence including politically motivated ones and you're absolutely right that this was a late addition to the president's schedule and
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speaking to biden advisers what they're telling us is that they have been watching very closely recently as they have seen a surge in anti-democratic rhetoric including republican elected officials and candidates basically saying, we're not sure that we're necessarily going to accept the results of the elections next week and also very concerned about these threats to violence and one event in particular obviously that people behind me in this building have been especially alarmed by is the violent attack on paul pelosi. so all of these things went into the consideration for why the president wanted to make this speech today, he did want to make this speech for awhile so it's not a surprise but it does just show how high the stakes are right now in this moment because we are so close to the end and just six days away from the election. >> mj lee live at the white house, thanks so much for setting the table. our reporters back at the table. many democrats did think after the violent attack on the
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capitol on january 6th after so many republicans who still deny the results and say maybe the legislature should be overturn or reconsider the results of elections. democrats thought it would be a bigger issue but the economy and inflation just snuffing it out. >> that's right. many democrats wanted the administration to make a consistently bigger deal of it, maybe even try to end the filibuster and you saw from this administration some speeches about this in the past from biden, but in terms of it translating to a motivating issue that outbalances the feelings around the economy it's probably not that. you have seen biden try to do this with a number of issues, voting, you'll see that today. he did that with an abortion speech a few weeks ago and also with student loans, as well. trying to piece together this coalition with these individual issues, but, again, the economy is the most potent issue. >> just the pain, you mentioned the gas price, pain in people's
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daily lives, hard to convince them it's horrible but it will pass. this is a bigger threat to your children, grandchildren and the country. it is just striking when you look, number one, the significant doubts everywhere but the partisan differences. are you confident the u.s. elections will reflect the will of the people? six in democrats say yes, even 39% of democrats say they're not confident. only 41% of republicans and independents more split on this then did joe biden win legitimately? this should not be a question at this point. but if you look at the total, 67%, two-thirds say he did. almost a third of americans there say he did not. 66, two-thirds of republicans, carl, two-thirds of republicans to this day think joe biden is not the legitimate president of the united states. that's a cancer on democracy. >> you see this much suspicion about these outcomes and it sinks in and people really start to believe it. i think that the democrats were really hoping the january 6th hearings would elevate this and make it a big issue.
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the hearings were considered a success but i've been on the road. i've been in multiple states. you just don't hear discussion about this when candidates are meeting voters. >> politics aside a lot of democrats feel there is a moral obligation for biden to be making this speech, whether it will work and move the needle at all in november, we'll wait for it to be seen. second in line to the presidency after the events of january 6th there is a feeling like biden has this obligation. >> liz cheney's point campaign fog are a democrat yesterday, this is bigger. had should be bigger than any party affiliation. we'll see and watch the president tonight and see if it has an impact. new details in the simply chilling horrific attack on the speaker's husband and first reported, the pelosi family is set to get a look at the key evidence in the case. p, and get. free monsters, free bosses, any footlong for free!
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horrific details from court filings show the suspect who attacked nancy pelosi's husband described his plan as a suicide mission, needed to combat what he sees as, quote, lies coming out of washington. that filing also alleges that david depape had a list of other state and federal targets. let's go live to veronica miracle standing by in san francisco with more. what else are we learning? >> reporter: john, those court documents laid out so many
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details. we learned so much. it's quoted as saying depape told officers and medics on the scene why he went to the pelosi residence and what his intentions were quoted as saying to paul pelosi and asking him if nancy pelosi is second in line to the presidency and when paul pelosi agreed, he said we've got to take them all out. that motion says the attack on paul pelosi was caught on body camera video. the chief of police here in san francisco says that you can see him being hit with the hammer at least once. it also says that depape told officers that hurting paul pelosi was not his intention but that he would go through him if he had to. he said, quote, this was a suicide mission. i'm not going to stand here and do nothing even if it costs me my life. the san francisco district attorney, brooke jenkins says this was absolutely politically motivated and that motion says that depape named other targets including a local professor and other prominent federal and
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state officials including their family members. now, yesterday in court we watched as david depape was arraigned on a slew of state charges including attempted homicide, burglary, elder abuse, assault with a deadly weapon. he entered not guilty pleas to all of those charges. the pelosi family through the prosecutor told the judge they are seeking privacy during this very traumatic time. john. >> veronica miracle live on the ground, thank you. let's bring in to discuss further paul callan and evan paris. paul, i noticed in coming in to the show you talked about this motion filed by the prosecutor here. you find it unusual and you see something behind it. explain. >> yeah, it was an unusually detailed recounting of how the crime occurred and i have no doubt, john, that the san francisco prosecutor is trying to send a clear message that this was a real crime, a real attempted murder and attempted kidnapping to dissuade those who
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might believe a radio interview with the former president trump in which he said there was something weird going on on the premises and that there was glass found outside of nancy pelosi's and paul pelosi's premises. that is an absolute misstatement and lie. it's kind of a conspiracy theory that seems to be circulating in right wing circles. this was a real assault, a real attempted murder and the prosecutor, i think is trying to get the message out in a detailed way as soon as possible. >> evan, often we see in big cases that involve both state and federal issues the state and fed also get together and decide you have a stronger case or a stronger penalty on the book. you take it. in this case we're expecting both state and federal prosecutions, right? >> yes, we are, john. i think it is possible that the feds are going to end up going first. he has yet, by the way, to enter an appearance on the federal charges. the state seems to be going ahead at this point. but, look, i mean, just what the
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court documents said the irony that the assailant, what he said was he was motivated by the lies coming out of washington and the irony is that, you know, the lies that are coming from some of our elected leaders with regard to this attack is what's probably going to fuel additional similar incidents, right, that's one of the things the capitol police are trying to address. we know, for instance, they had a camera that captured him getting into the house, into the home of the pelosis, but because the speaker of the house was not there, those cameras are not monitored, you know, at the same time so they caught it after the fact, after they saw the lights of the police cars at the scene, so there's clearly going to be a need for more resources for the capitol police to be able to protect members of congress and perhaps even their family members with the help of local authorities. john. >> paul, i want you to listen to a little here. there's a public defender appointed to defend mr. depape and he says as he bills a
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defense, it could revolve around this. >> there's also been a lot of speculation regarding mr. depape's vulnerability to misinformation and that is certainly something that we're going to look into. >> can you go and try to convince a jury, don't convict this person because they believe covid fantasies and conspiracies because they believe mike lindell that the election was stolen? is that a valid defense? >> no, it's not a valid defense. it's an absolutely ridiculous defense. they can assert an insanity defense. to prove that they would have to show that his mental illness was so severe he didn't understand he was committing a crime and obviously he knew exactly what he was doing because he planned the crime, brought the weapon engaged in cogent conversation with paul pelosi while he held him captive. so i don't think he's going to have a valid insanity defense
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and certainly that defense is ridiculous, so no chance there. >> evan, you mentioned the conversations among the capitol police. they want more resources, there will be questions about should they have been monitoring the camera? look at these number, violent threats made against lawmakers. in 2016 there were 902. 2017, 3900. 2018, 5200. 2019, nearly 7,000. 2020, 8600. 2021, 9600. i'll leave people at home to figure out what happened between 2016 and 2017. >> right. >> what does this do in terms of prosecutions, police, law enforcement, security? >> yeah, exactly, it makes it a lot more -- there's a lot more work for the prosecutors and investigators to follow up on, john. it's just going to be a lot more resources that will have to be dedicated to this. >> evan perez, paul callan, thanks for your time. a giant test, big test blossoming for a republican rivalry. rick scott angling for more credit if republicans retake the
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washington being washington isn't waiting for your votes to be counted. the jockeying to take credit or assign blame is well under way. democrats pick up a newspaper and a very public debate about midterm strategy and now some brand-new cnn reporting on a senate republican drama. mitch mcconnell is the senate republican leader and he's the force behind a very powerful super pac. he is jostling with rick scott over who should get credit if they retake the senate and the flip side who gets the blame if
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they fall short? cnn's michael warren joins our conversation. in this reporting you quote liam donovan who says mcconnell wants to be leader, scott wants to be a legend. the old "snl" skit. >> part of a long-running feud between mcconnell and scott and really reflects the two different strategies to this cycle. mcconnell has made it clear it is about getting the majority and getting the majority efficiently and getting it sort of safely and some people including supporters of rick scott say too conservativetively. rick scott on the other hand has been standing behind more controversial candidates, has been sort of coming in where senate leadership, the mcconnell aligned super pac has been pulling out, it's a difference of strategy, it's a more ambitious, of course, a lot of republicans think rick scott wants to run for president and some mcconnell allies say he used this perch to promote
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himself and not necessarily the best interests of senate republicans and we saw all this play out a couple of weeks ago in new hampshire. slf polls out, the nrsc goes back in. polls showing maybe it's closer. there's going to be a lot of fingers pointing if they fall short for instance in the race. >> you mentioned the new hampshire race. mcconnell's super pac pulls out, rick scott pulls in. the slf, the mcconnell super pac pulls out and rick scott comes in with some money. is this a washington parlor game? >> for rick scott he thinks it will benefit him regardless if they win or not. he will be able to say i stood up for the maga candidates and did not give up on them when you had the party establishment pulling out. if he does try to run or whatever his ambitions are he will try to claim that mantel which could be advantageous for him in today's -- >> you made the point politely some of the text messages around
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mcconnell that scott is using this committee to prepare for a presidential run. if you look at tv ad spending, tv ad spending, actually money, the mcconnell super pac spent $131 million, $131 million. the national republican senatorial committee $23 million. that's a pretty good exhibit. >> this is one of the oddest things in washington. the chairman of the campaign committee and the leadership usually work in concert, the whole thing is -- >> had that job a long time ago. >> right. so here is the sense in the senate, you nailed it among the republicans, is that rick scott used this job that's usually used to build credit jt in the senate to try and build this outside image and if they don't get the senate back, rick scott is going to hear about it much more than mitch mcconnell. >> listen, you heard biden sort of make use of one of the things that rick scott was saying about
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maybe they would cut social security and medicare if the republicans take over, so he's made republicans a target in some instances, and, listen, i do think it's about burnishing his identity, creating an identity in many ways, i think nationally he's not well known among republicans, certainly not maga republicans so he's trying to tie himself closely i think to the trump brand. he's got a lot of competition, not only trump but people like desantis, abbott and others. >> trump, desantis, scott, maybe rubio, florida republicans have to have a primary first to send one floridian out for the presidential nomination. >> we'll have to see. at the end of the day it's a money question. i talk to republicans who say, look, this is still mitch mcconnell's conference, republican conference, one republican told me it's mcconnell is the leader with the support of the donors and the senators, that's it. really that is the final word. >> that is the final word although we shall watch, i'm guessing the jockeying plays out
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back to our new cnn poll for expert analysis. president biden's approval rating, you see right here, is down and disapproval is up. that translates into a republican edge now when we ask americans which party they plan to support for congress. republicans also have an enthusiasm edge as election day nears so is there a big red wave in the works? let's ask two great pollsters. margie, let me start with you.
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i went through it reading and reading to try to find there must be a silver lining for democrats. i can't find it in the poll including this is the most important thing, what's the most important issue for you right now, more than half of americans say 51% say the economy and inflation. the democrats thought after dobbs maybe abortion would jump up. it is 15% as the most important issue. that signals change election, right? >> well, i don't think any democrat was saying the economy is an important thing and we shouldn't be talking about it. abortion has never been this high in the list. >> we need to fix your microphone so as we fix it, i'll start here. it happens. it's called live television. if you're the republicans looking at this poll, you got a handful of days left, i guess the strategy is don't do anything wrong? >> this just shows that we've reverted back to that moment we were in in march when march, april time frame when republicans really felt like a red wave was coming. that momentum got blunted with
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the dobbs decision and gas prices going back down but we've reverted back to that place where republicans were feeling great. this poll underscores among independents, republicans doing better, with joe biden's job approval one thing you'll notice in the poll is the intensity around those who approve of him. it's not very strong. of those who disapprove of him it's quite strong. and so that intensity is what is fueling this higher enthusiasm on the republican side, republicans more likely to turn out at this point. it's a lot of dominos that are all sort of falling. >> so how, especially with little time, can you try to fix the things that are -- fix your problems, issues, if you will. are you motivated to vote, 60%, 59% of democrats say they're motivated of independents. seven in ten republicans are motivated to vote. this is how it works. that's why nancy pelosi is speaker because of democratic intensity in 2018. you have time to fix this for the democrats in 2022. >> i would say a couple of thing, first of all, you had
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millions of people who have already voted and those folks are disproportionately democratic, a lot of analysis has shown. they're already politically motivated to vote and doesn't serve me for those active in these issues to overreact to the motivation results in a single poll. i think motivation fluctuates a little. democratic motivation was more post dobbs than in the agg aggregate. what's at the bottom of the list is crime. and that's erin issue that republicans have spent like a zillion dollars on the air in every race around the country talking about crime. the fact that's low shows that their messages has not borne out and motor righted voters on their side. >> we talk about travel politics because of the polarized times we live in. i looked in our poll, the middle of the electorate but independents are still important. biden's job as president,
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independents grade him very poorly, only 38% approve. 62% disapprove. does he have the right priorities, only 30% say he does. are things going well in the country, only 24% of independents say yes, 76% say no. that is a giant challenge if you're trying to win these very close competitive races across the country. what do you do? >> well, so a few things i would note. first if you look at which i thought was interesting is people rating their own economic situation, actually more positively than they feel about the country and there you see the partisan gap really shrink so when people are rating the economy of the country you see a real partisan split but democrats and republicans feel a little more optimistic about their own economic situation. i think there's an opportunity there to talk about things that are going well, things that are improving, things that were better than a couple years ago and what our plan is for next and talk about optimism and i think i also wouldn't think -- the notion that things in the
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country are not going well is that automatically hurt democrats? i would push back on that i don't feel good about the way things are in the country not because of the way that of what's happening in congress and what democrats have been able to do with the president but because of misinformation and division and negative campaigning from the other side and lies and the fact that people are, you know, trying to promote chaos and doubt the election results. those kinds of things i think are causing a lot of people to feel unhappy. >> you mentioned the republican trepidation when dobbs was rising, when trump returned as well the suburbs were moving in that way. do you see a key moment if this holds up? is there a key phase or was this just we gradually came back to a traditional president's first midterm. >> in the real averages joe biden's job approval hasn't been above 50% since the day that the taliban took kabul. it's interesting. this downward trend is not juice about the economy or not just about a supreme court decision or, you know, any of that. it's a lot of different things that made americans feel less secure physically and
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economically, less secure about our institutions and our democracy. and right now that is favoring republicans, any port in a storm. >> the president speaks to the democracy question. we'll see, a few days left, the numbers are bad for democrats but we're not done. the former president donald trump and his lawyer's efforts to delay the certification of the 2020 election.
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important new information in the january 6th investigation today. new emails from the former trump attorney, the election attorney john eastman give us a window into the former president's inner circle detailing a plan to make clarence thomas the decider on a trump challenge to the 2020 election. they also detail concerns about trump making false statements in court documents. we have more details. clarence thomas? >> that's right, look, these are emails handed over to the house committee investigating january 6th and they're between trump lawyers and they're making clear in the emails that they see supreme court justice clarence thomas as their only chance at preventing congress from certifying the 2020 election. you know, essentially what they were hoping was that thomas would issue an order that held the biden electoral votes from georgia were not valid because
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of election fraud. this did not happen. one of the trump attorneys acknowledges there was a less than 1% chance of this strategy before the supreme court being successful before the january 6th certification, john. >> and the emails also detail, walk us through how, concerns from some of trump lawyers that he was making false claims in court documents. >> that's right. we've heard about it before. the judge said in this case, you know, forcing john eastman to hand them over he was worried a crime could have been committed. what you see in them are trump's attorneys worried he could be prosecuted in he signs on to the court filing reiterating false claims of election fraud about people who they said were dead or were felons that voted and say that they have information that these are inaccurate, that trump has been briefed they were inaccurate. at one point in the emails eastman says i have no doubt that an aggressive d.a. or u.s. attorney someplace would go after both the president and his lawyers once all the dust settles on this. so you can see in realtime they
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had very serious concerns about trump signing on to these court filings, john. >> there is an issue about trying to get a notary over zoom? sounds bizarre. help me. >> there was an issue about sort of could we change the way that we're phrasing this, could we get a notary over zoom so we're not essentially saying all of this stuff is true under punishment of perjury so they were sort of spitballing options and gives you an indication of how chaotic it was, how they wanted to prevent the former president from having legal exposure but continue to reiterate the claims of fraud that have been debunked. >> the more you learn the more bizarre and more corrupt it gets. sara murray, thanks for that. on election night join us, join cnn for our coverage that starts tuesday, election day at 4:00 p.m. eastern. learn what's happening. what's happening in your state, around the country. thanks for joining us on "inside politics." ana cabrera picks up right now. hello, i'm

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